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Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:51:00

Heroes - Four Months Ago

OK, I know, it’s late.  I just cannot get the Heroes post up on time!

Spoilers…

OK, so this episode was supposed to answer questions about events from the finale onward.  Here’s what I suspect; Tim Kring wasn’t real happy with season two so far, we know that because he apologized to us.  So, he took a look at how the season was playing out while making it and decided to throw us a bone.  Only it had to be written fast...if I’m right, that would explain why it’s got a few holes and/or errors.

- Nathan.  Not enough time for everything that he and mom talked while standing in Peter’s aprtment (in 2x01) about to develop.  I’m not buying that giant-ass beard in a few weeks either.

- Peter.  The Peter that flew in and saved Nathan had FuturePeter’s emo-boy haircut and was wearing totally different clothes than PresentPeter (who just exploded, or radiated an explosion, or something).  It was the Peter that FutureHiro met in String Theory.  The one that was with Nikki.  BUT...that same guy was zapped by LightningGirl and held in the joint with Adam.  Why doesn’t he remember he’s Futurepeter?  If he does, there was absolutely no indication of it.  he was acting like PresentPeter, the one who explod-a-radiated.

Question: Did PresentPeter ever meet DL?  I can’t remember.  I don’t think the final fight with Sylar counts.  If he didn’t, then the Peter that is with Adam HAS to be FuturePeter.  If he did, then we still have a screwup because the one that saved Nathan was NOT the same as the one that explod-a-radiated.

Anyway, it was nice to see how he ended up in a shipping container.

- DL - WTF?  DL died from the wounds received in Linderman’s office, didn’t he?  Jessinikki and Micah went to his grave.  What am I forgetting?

- Adam.  Can he really be the big bad badass supreme?  I mean, healing blood and de facto immortality, sure, but he’s never displayed a mental power.  Was the big bad bad guy Molly was afraid of just Poppa Parkman?

- Mama Petrelli - Donna got this one spot on - we think Mama can persuade if she touches you.

- Alejandro & Maya - still don’t care.  But, they do confirm another theory.  I was dancing all around trying to find a way to desribe this idea and Donna nailed this one too.  Many - in fact most - of the heroes have a passive and an active power.  Maya and Ajandro are twins, so the power(s) got split in two.

Examples of active and passive; The Haitian can dampen all powers passively, but actively can enter your mind and extract specific memories.  Parkman can read your mind, and his new active ability is projection.  Micah can hear machines talk, but he can also change how they work and manipulate them.  Etcetera and so on.  I can’t think of a set of powers for the flying ones though.  They seem to only be able to fly.  So far, anyway.

- Nikki/Jessica/Gina.  Anything that keeps Ali Larter on the show and acting like either a badass or a slut is absolutely, 100% perfect.  I don’t care how ridiculous it gets.

- Another question: Have we met anyone who works at the Company who doesn’t have a power?  Think about it.  Anyone?  and if we have not...that means HRG has a power that we haven’t seen because he’s hiding it or he doesn’t know about it because the Haitian erased it.

Overall I enjoyed all the smaller elements of this episode, but I think taken as a whole, it opens up some contradictions and plot holes.  Then again, we’re talking about comic books, so I guess I shouldn’t be so picky.  Somehow I can accept that Claire can grow a toe, and a guy as old as Adam could probably grow a new body if decapitated him, but Nathan’s beard, marriage and whole lifestyle change, happening in the limited time between his standing up in the hospital room and the opening of season 2?  That I can’t accept.

GIVE THE WRITERS THEIR MONEY!  It’s going to suck when this ends 11 episodes in you bastards!


Posted by JimK at 12:51 AM on November 15, 2007
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#1  Posted by supercore Germany on 11/15 at 04:06 AM -

Have we met anyone who works at the Company who doesn’t have a power?

HRG’s boss? The one that got shot in the head at the end of the first season? Also, I THINK in one of the latest graphic novels on the NBC website, in a flashback, he positively said that he has no powers except his ruthlessness and guile. Also, from the graphic novels, it looks like they used to pair up two “talented” people but now prefer to keep one “normal” on the team instead to keep the special people under better watch. Seems that this change occurred around the time Claude lost the partner he has before HRG.

As far as DL, Nikki and Micah visited his grave 4 months after Peter exploded. DL apparently spent about a month recouperating from a bullet wound to the abdomen from Linderman, became a firefighter (in a ridiculously short amount of time from being shot in the first place), then went after Nikki and got shot AGAIN around the 3 month mark if I remember right.

Very interesting thought about the passive/active elements in each Hero’s power. Nice observation.

All in all, I’ll say what I said last week. Flashback episodes, for all the helpful backstory that they provide, are weak. This easily should have been a series of graphic novels on the NBC site and would have made far more sense. Instead, what momentum was gained in the last few episodes has been sacrificed and will be that much harder to pick back up.

#2  Posted by Drumwaster United States on 11/15 at 11:49 AM -

HRG’s boss? The one that got shot in the head at the end of the first season?

You mean Linderman (played by Malcolm McDowell)? He healed Nathan’s wheelchair-bound wife, not to mention the rose when he was expostulating in his warehouse filled with works of art (and Kensai’s sword, later stolen by Hiro).

I also agree that Mama Petrelli has that “Eye of Power”. She could sell a turd to a perfumier…

mgnmfrc1#3  Posted by mgnmfrc1 United States on 11/15 at 12:58 PM -

HRG’s boss? The one that got shot in the head at the end of the first season?

That was Eric Roberts character.

#4  Posted by supercore Germany on 11/15 at 02:35 PM -

That was Eric Roberts character

Exactly. If he did have a power we certainly never saw it. Again, It was all ruthlessness and apparent lack of a soul that makes the “normals” the company hires valuable.

Also, How about Hiro’s dad? Special circumstance yes, But he was a founder of the company and apparently had zilch for powers.

#5  Posted by Buzzion United States on 11/15 at 03:09 PM -

Yeah there was Thompson, and also apparently the man who trained Claude and HRG, who was holding the paintings.

And I believe that they consider Peter’s proximity to DL at the event with Sylar to be enough contact for him.  It would also mean that he has Molly and Micah’s powers as well.

- Peter.  The Peter that flew in and saved Nathan had FuturePeter’s emo-boy haircut and was wearing totally different clothes than PresentPeter (who just exploded, or radiated an explosion, or something).  It was the Peter that FutureHiro met in String Theory.  The one that was with Nikki.  BUT...that same guy was zapped by LightningGirl and held in the joint with Adam.  Why doesn’t he remember he’s Futurepeter?  If he does, there was absolutely no indication of it.  he was acting like PresentPeter, the one who explod-a-radiated.

I’m somewhat confused by what you’re saying here.  For one Future Peter had a large scar on his face.  Also the clothing peter wore just went through a nuclear blast.  When he is at the hospital you can see that they scorched and grayed.  Hairstyle just seems to be a bit of laziness in not putting a wig on him.

Green Lantern#6  Posted by Green Lantern United States on 11/15 at 03:36 PM -

Passive flying power, its simple.  You can’t fall to your death. i.e. Peter/Nathan season one when peter jumped off the building.  Oh, and I gotta take a little credit here.  I think it was in this blog that I posted that Nathan dropped Peter and saved himself and that is why he felt so bad.  Could be that the flying passive power is super fast facial hair growth.

On a side note, does anyone else think that flying boy (Clarie’s BF, sounds and kinda looks like he could be related to Owen and Luke Wilson) I swear he has the same intonation and speach pattern.  Anyway, that whole 11 episode thing SUCKS!!

Green Lantern#7  Posted by Green Lantern United States on 11/15 at 03:38 PM -

PS, Jim feel free to post more ladies in your gallery.  You have wonderful taste.  Thank you for Ariel!

More please

#8  Posted by Drumwaster United States on 11/15 at 11:40 PM -

Passive flying power, its simple.  You can’t fall to your death.

Not necessarily true. When Peter was being taught how to use his other powers, he was tossed off a high building and landed smack on top of a car parked below. He would have died if he hadn’t absorbed Claire’s healing powers.

(And what would her active power be, if she just has regeneration/healing?)

#9  Posted by supercore Germany on 11/16 at 02:34 AM -

And what would her active power be

If we assume that Claire’s ability is the same as Adam’s then… Adam has a passive ability wherein his cells (and probably his whole molecular structure/signature i.e. being blasted into thousands of indistinct smoking bits and still re-coalescing again) automagically regenerates and heals itself. His active ability is those cells ability to also heal others of their wounds. We can infer that this is limited to immediate wounds already sustained since every whore the guy has ever pounded isn’t still walking around just cause they gave him a happy ending.

Again though, Just depends on whether Claire and Adam have the same ability.

#10  Posted by Drumwaster United States on 11/16 at 08:53 AM -

If we assume that Claire’s ability is the same as Adam’s then…

Objection, your Honor. Assumes facts not in evidence…

We can infer that this is limited to immediate wounds already sustained since every whore the guy has ever pounded isn’t still walking around just cause they gave him a happy ending.

But those cells are still present in the circulatory system of anyone ever “healed” by him (and he had to have tested this at some point - or had this tested by someone else - otherwise he wouldn’t have even suspected the possibility), making those people capable of healing minor wounds from then on.

Which leads to an interesting question - is it the cells, or the matrix wherein they reside, that allows them to perform in an ongoing basis?

#11  Posted by supercore Germany on 11/16 at 01:39 PM -

Which leads to an interesting question - is it the cells, or the matrix wherein they reside, that allows them to perform in an ongoing basis?

Well, Only one way to tell so far. I can’t remember but maybe someone else can. Has Nathan been injured this season at all? He and Parkman fought in Papa Parkman’s place but I can’t remember any injuries to him.

Also, I do believe that Claire and Adam’s powers are the same just like Nathan and Super-Boytoy have the same powers. An assumption yes, but there is enough evidence for it to be a good one.

#12  Posted by Drumwaster United States on 11/16 at 02:43 PM -

An assumption yes, but there is enough evidence for it to be a good one.

Contradiction. If there is any evidence whatsoever, it is no longer considered an assumption - it is a tentative conclusion based on probabilities.

However, your only evidence is the similarity in powers, and that isn’t necessarily the case, because there are only just so many possibilities for powers. Sooner or later, you’re going to have a duplicate.

BTW, did Peter get his power to shoot lightning bolts from close proximity to the blonde? Even though it was during the time when he was under meds designed to nullify his powers?

#13  Posted by Buzzion United States on 11/16 at 03:15 PM -

BTW, did Peter get his power to shoot lightning bolts from close proximity to the blonde? Even though it was during the time when he was under meds designed to nullify his powers?

He’d have acquired it on his first contact with her, when he wasn’t under the influence of the meds.  Or after he had stopped taking the meds.  Either way he was near her at points with full use of his ability.

The real question to ask is does he now have the Haitian’s power?  Or because the Haitian puts out a nullifying field was he unable to pacify it?  I also don’t believe his nullifying ability is a passive power.  Since it would mean he could never work with a another Hero, and also would have meant Nathan couldn’t have escaped him and HRG.  And he also worked with Eve, when they stopped Sylar at the school.  So its definitely a power that isn’t passive.

#14  Posted by supercore Germany on 11/16 at 03:56 PM -

ok, didn’t want to get into an argument of “assumption” vs “tentative conclusion” and the semantics involved. I’m just gonna go ahead and speculate (in the transitive conjugation) that Claire and Adam have the same power and see what happens. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to say so.


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