And they canceled Highlander????? This proves that if they had stuck with it and been a bit more creative the show could have continued to make money. Aside from the different powers each of them had and no one has to cut off a head, this is basically becoming the same sort of story. “The Gathering"= NYC, Gaining power by killing an opponent, “The Watchers” = The Company.
Lot more parallels if you think about it. Sorry but that was my favorite all time show (The series) and I just realized why I am getting hung up on Heros.

I think the symbol is more than just an Asian dragon.  I believe it also represents a strand of the double-helix design of DNA - the portion of their genetic makeup to give the Heroes their abilities.  Not sure if I saw that in the last season or not, but it’s a thought that’s been running through my head.

looks like no plot advancement next week. Flashback to what happened between last season and the beginning of this one. If you ask me, weak.

looks like no plot advancement next week. Flashback to what happened between last season and the beginning of this one. If you ask me, weak.

Who says you can’t advance the plot with flashbacks?  We’ll see what happened to peter.  We’ll see his connection and bonding with adam.

This is exactly what I have been predicting to happen.  And I’ve been wanting to see the aftermath of the bomb.

What we have here is a typical Japanese parable, where the obvious examples of “good and evil” are both flipped and have dual meanings.  Kensei is Hiro, and the Dragon is Adam.  Now, in the myth, the Dragon taught Kensei the “way of the sword.” I interpret this to be Hiro teaching Adam how to use his sword to be a Hero.  This satisfies the duality part of the first half of the story.  The second half, that Kensei had to “cut out his heart to save her, to save Japan,” flips the roles again, and Hiro is now Kensei.  Yaeko is his heart in Edo Japan, as is Ando in the modern day.  Either or both may have to be sacrificed to stop Adam from either going back to try to stop Hiro and Yaeko from falling in love, or from finishing his killing spree in the present day.  So...Adam = Dragon.  Hence the symbol.

Adam is the Dragon.  And Hiro is Kensei.  I don’t know all about the duality nature of japanese stories you’re telling but this is definitely true.  And really you don’t need it for Kensei and the Dragon.  Since there are probably a few connections.  Hiro’s interest in “kensei” fueled his desire to learn about the sword so that can answer the dragon teaching kensei.  There’s also the likelihood that the person who trained hiro’s father was Adam.  So again he would have learned from the dragon.

We also now have 2 more answers to questions.  Adam killed Hiro’s father.  At first I thought it would have been a flyer but since Adam is alive it would explain there being only one body on the ground.

It also explains why Hiro’s father has been waiting for a Nakamura to ascend.  Adam told him or an ancestor of his it would happen one day.  I’m going to bet that Peter talking to Adam reveals that Hiro has shown the ability to travel through time, and that will likely fuel their escape from the company.

Adam.  Lots of people guessed this one, so it’s no great achievement in precognizance to have realized Kensei was Adam and is immortal.  Also, this means Peter and Claire are likely immortal as well, as long as the virus doesn’t (or can’t?) affect them

Peter, definitely since he’s been in contact with adam.  Claire maybe not, since there’s no guarrantee her healing ability is the same, but it probably is.

I also think he might not be a bad guy in the end.  I think he can be talked around.  I think he’s driven by pain and rage.  It’s interesting that he’s the “visionary” and was Linderman’s “sensei.” One wonders how many of the other Old Guard Heroes think like he does.  I still say that he can be talked around.  I believe it because Hiro believes it.  That’s really the only reason.  :)

I believe he is a bad guy.  Truly and fully, much like Sylar.  And this could be the end of the Kensei and the Dragon story.  Because Hiro really does believe in him that he can be good with all his heart.  And he will be forced to kill Adam.  That would definitely be like cutting out his heart.

Paintings.  We’ve seen them all happen now, except for Mohinder and the gun, and HRG shot in the eye while Claire and West look on.  Given what Bob did there with the gun, I think that will happen next week, or maybe the week after.  Like all of the paintings, it will happen, just not exactly as it seems.  At least it better damn well not.  Again, HRG is someone that makes this show good.  Killing Noah Bennet would be idiotic.  I’d rather lose *any* of the new people except Monica.

I think you’re right on target here.  Mohindar is going to shoot someone, but it won’t be Bennet.  And also Bennet could end up being shot, just like the bomb went off.  I think the future is written in stone on those paintings but just not the final future.  Afterall, one of those paintings of the future occured almost 400 years ago.

The virus will mutate and hit the general population but not until the end of “Volume 2” which airs December 3rd, and may be the season finale due to the strike.

I don’t think that claire is the answer to the cure for the virus. I believe that the solution is in the virus/cure twins.  They need to come into contact with Peter, and the combination of that will be able to cause the cure.  And here’s a thought, is Mohindar actually a hero and his blood his power?  And if that’s the case could Peter’s blood also function as a cure for the original virus?

Also, is it possible that we have seen mother petrelli’s power?  When she was attacked in the police station is it possible that she was put into a nightmare and ended up using her power on herself?  Just a thought.

RobSmalls: I believe it also represents a strand of the double-helix design of DNA - the portion of their genetic makeup to give the Heroes their abilities.

Yes.  I totally agree.

Buzzion:Mohindar is going to shoot someone, but it won’t be Bennet.

I have this scene in my head, where HRG is all “You aren’t gonna shoot me” and Mohinder shoots the wall behind Noah to prove that he’s serious.  Then they talk, and HRG talks him out of it, maybe because Claire and West are standing right there?  Mohinder drops the gun and everyone thinks it’s over, but West picks it up and shoots HRG.  Non-fatally of course. 

It fulfills the painting and gives West’s storyline some gravitas.

And here’s a thought, is Mohindar actually a hero and his blood his power?  And if that’s the case could Peter’s blood also function as a cure for the original virus?

Oh DAMN.  That seems obvious in retrospect.  Great call, I think you are spot on.

I have this scene in my head, where HRG is all “You aren’t gonna shoot me” and Mohinder shoots the wall behind Noah to prove that he’s serious.  Then they talk, and HRG talks him out of it, maybe because Claire and West are standing right there?  Mohinder drops the gun and everyone thinks it’s over, but West picks it up and shoots HRG.  Non-fatally of course. 

It fulfills the painting and gives West’s storyline some gravitas.

Problem with the theory is that Bennet is shot in the head.  That seems pretty fatal to me.  Here’s a thought, what if the guy who shoots Bennet is Bennet?  But the person he shoots actually isn’t him?

There are just so many things to speculate on and theorize.  And there are all these different options that seem to make perfect sense when you think about them, and then the show goes and throws it all for a loop and your theory just seems silly when compared to what they have come up with.

I personally think the Painting of Noah being shot is gonna be a illusion perpetrated by MATT to save Noah.
and another thing WHAT is momma perellies power?

and another thing WHAT is momma perellies power?

Simple.  We’ve already seen it.  Its the thing that almost killed her at the police department.  Now as to what that is I’m not 100% sure.

What’s HRG’s power? Does he have one? He was part of the 12 so it would seem he should have some power. Bob or someone said he was getting sloppy when he killed Ivan by leaving fingerprints, getting too emotional. Is he really getting sloppy? Or like with Claire’s super boyfriend, being calculating to the end drawing his enemies to him? His lack of home security has been brought up, maybe his power, if he has one, allows him not to need one?

Besides, they can’t kill him can they? He is a great character, good vs evil all wrapped up in one. Sylar just oozes pure evil. Love it!

Hiro, did he fuck everything up or is this how it’s all supposed to go, and he IS Kensei? What was poppa Nakamura’s power, other than being a swordsman?

I’m up for the flashback, I want to know what happened and why Nathan sees himself as elephant man in the mirror.

What’s HRG’s power? Does he have one? He was part of the 12 so it would seem he should have some power. Bob or someone said he was getting sloppy when he killed Ivan by leaving fingerprints, getting too emotional. Is he really getting sloppy? Or like with Claire’s super boyfriend, being calculating to the end drawing his enemies to him? His lack of home security has been brought up, maybe his power, if he has one, allows him not to need one?

Not everyone is a Hero.  Bennet wasn’t in the picture.  The guy that looks like him looking to the side is supposed to be Peter and Nathan’s father.

Also Hiro’s father doesn’t have a power.  As he said he had been waiting for a Nakamura to ascend.  That means none had yet to me.  His involvement with the company though does seem very obvious though.  Afterall if you’re an immortal with plans for revenge against a guy in the future, wouldn’t you want to have the family of your nemesis close by so you can keep a close eye on them and spot him when the source of your rage shows up?  It definitely keeps you from having to search all of Japan through the centuries.

This statement by Kring has led me to a new theory.

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro’s (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) —

Adam is Kensei, and still is Kensei.  Hiro is the Dragon.  Hiro teaches Adam to be a hero and follow the way of the sword.  And the final confrontation between them will still happen.  And Hiro will convince Adam to be Kensei, to be the hero and save the world, by cutting out his own heart to get a cure for the new virus, killing himself and saving the world.

I don’t think the Japan story has finished yet, the “Heros” symbol was on the sword when Hiro went into Japan’s history, so I suspect that that is not over yet.  Does anyone have any ideas about what Hiro’s father wanted to tell him?  I think the all of the 12 had some sort of abilities, they just didn’t reveal them.

Okay, I know this will be too early and maybe a spoiler, but am I the only guy who thought “wtf?” when they saw how DL died in tonight’s episode?

yes drum, that was ...well almost pointless… unless “bob” had something to do with it.

Good point. Or the Haitian. Tracking down “Gina”, perhaps?

How about Nathan descending into an alcoholic bender, and growing a beard the wolfman would be envious of in 2 weeks time?

It wasn’t an alcoholic bender, even though he had been drinking heavily - it was what Mama Petrelli said to his (no longer crippled, and soon-to-be-ex-) wife outside his hospital room door about “delusions of grandeur and hallucinations”. That explains why he isn’t allowed to see his kids, which also explains the heavy drinking - “I saved New York City and this is the thanks I get?"…

And as for the beard? I would be able to grow - and, in fact, have grown - such a beard in two weeks (I mind me of a 30-day leave back in ‘89 where I actually had to show orders to get on the base in Oakland, because they would not have otherwise let me in the gate, looking as I did*). And he actually had three, IIRC.

(* - I used up two disposable razors getting clean-shaven in order to report in the next day.)